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Thank you for the photos! (and thank you in advance for sharing your Aruba configuration) I am very hopeful that your approach will help address some of the WiFi annoyances here
Ray
I love the lego stand! We audiophiles need much more lego’s in our lives (thank you for photo and link to antenna!)
External antenna for the 902 @ 5GHz is very intriguing. Do you have a link to the antenna you use? I’m trying to recall where the antenna mount point is on the 902.
I just got my Aruba IAP-325 AP working (vanilla) and about to start experimenting with various configs. I’m intrigued by the 5GHz feedback from Bosco and Chris and others, this could be very interesting (Bosco or others, if you have an Aruba config that is shareable, please do…would love to learn from the learnings you’ve had so far with the Aruba!)
Fantastic post @divinely !
I’ve always been drawn to these more security conscious digital kit, mainly because of the obsession on minimizing any correlated noise or any noise.
Your report makes me very tempted to revisit the AP side of my chain. I had a small but unambiguous improvement with a 902 on 3.3V running OpenWRT as my AP, but I have a relatively clean 2.4GHz environment. Love how you approached tuning things to eliminate the problems in your environment
I heard a very significant improvement in sound quality when I switched to 3.3V on the 902. I’m sure this is a combination of improved power supply (I use the Ian Canada 3.3V mini + UcConditioner combo referenced here), as well as bypassing the 5V->3.3V regulator on the 902.
I did not purchase a 5V Ian Canada supply to test, so difficult for me to decouple the impact of the supply vs bypassing the regulator.
The 802 is interesting as well and I had purchased one to play with. When I didn’t see an obvious way to bypass the regulator on the 802, that project went on hold as I started to play with OpenWRT and using a second 902 as an access point
Very eager to hear others experiences with the 802, and revisit that project at some point if folks are hearing positive things.
Unfortunately, the WR802N doesn’t have GPIO contacts, so it can’t be easily converted to 3.3V. I don’t currently have an unmodified WR902AC available, so I’ll have to figure out how to compare it for the measurements.
This too is where my exploration of the 802 ended. I am tempted to look for a test point or leg of IC, but that would be getting into a pretty difficult hacking (for me and most folks).
Thank you for the report Eric, very helpful to hear what you are hearing….
@solidcore I am currently running a 902 as an access point connected to my home router, and a 902 as a client connected to my music server:
Home router -> wired ethernet on port configured as a dedicated audio subnet -> 902 running OpenWRT and configured as an access point with audio WiFi network -> WiFi -> 902 running OpenWRT and configured as a client -> throttle cable -> Taiko network stack -> Taiko Olympus
On my 902 AP, I removed DHCP and all firewalls and configured it as a low power access point (1mW/3dbM). On the 902 client, I connected to that AP SSID, again with a low power radio setting (1mW/3dbM). For me, there is no conflict with my other WiFi networks.
This morning I finally converted all my 902’s to 3.3V so I was able to do some direct A/B testing with the Ian Canada battery supply and UcConditioner.
For me, a 902 client running OpenWRT was a clear step up from a 902 client running the original TP link firmware. I’m attributing this to the lower radio power of 1mW vs 10mW on the „low power“ setting on the original TP link firmware, but that is a guess on my part.
With my 902 running OpenWRT as an access point, there was also a clear step up when going to a USB battery pack and then again to the Ian Canada 3.3V supply. The 902 access point in all configurations was better than my home WiFi (Ubiquiti mesh network). Alas, what is upstream of the 902 client still matters here.
My OpenWRT configurations are in the links above, but happy to discuss/share here if of active interest
Best holiday wishes to everyone, and all health and joy in the New Year!
I too have had success with a 902 as an Access Point and 902 as a client device. I recently updated both to OpenWRT to get lower power radios as well. Here are links to the recipes I used for OpenWRT on both the client and AP:
OpenWRT AP config https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/review-the-best-yet-most-affordable-network-switch-tplink-wr902ac.41708/post-1099127
OpenWRT install on Mac https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/review-the-best-yet-most-affordable-network-switch-tplink-wr902ac.41708/post-1099130
OpenWRT Client config https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/review-the-best-yet-most-affordable-network-switch-tplink-wr902ac.41708/post-1099148
Next for me is getting the 902 AP on 3.3V (shared supply with my 902 client, while I wait for my second Ian Canada LiFEPO4 supply to arrive). That is an experiment for the next couple days
Has anyone compared the TL-WR902AC to the TL-WR802N? The later seems to be a simpler version (no USB, 2.4GHz only, etc)
Very interesting Matthias.
I remember when many of us were experimenting with ferrites on BNC cables between the Chord upscaler and the Chord DAVE DAC, there was a cut over point where the improvement max’ed out. At the time, I attributed it to the tradeoff between BNC length (longer was poorer) and ferrites count (more was better). The physical space required for ferrites seemed to drive the tradeoff.
The v3 cable is interesting because we can do more windings on the torroids as well, not just add ferrites
Of course, the most intriguing part of Eric’s work (for me) has been his ability to measure common mode noise and correlate that to SQ improvements. If I had the equipment, would be facinating to play with other cable filter configurations and see what frequency range my system is most sensitive to, and filter even more aggressively there.
Wonderful to have a measurable hypothesis that correlates with the empirical differences we hear. Alas, I no longer have access to lab equipment at work these days, so difficult for me to get a proper measurement setup going here.
Indeed, that would be a quick experiment. Has anyone done this stacking experiment with 2 v3’s (or a v2 + v3)?
I was thinking of a 10m ethernet cable, and doubling the windings on the torroids, but it would be much easier to A/B 1 vs 2 throttle cables (if that is audible, then time to think about a v4)
Got the last of my v3 parts in the mail today and assembled my cable. Significant benefit here, even with an Ian Canada powered/conditioned TP link wifi extender going to the Taiko Audio network stack.
With the WiFi extender I did not hear a difference between a generic Cat6a cable and my previous reference ethernet cable, but the difference with the v3 throttle cable is very clear.
Makes me wonder if more ferrite filtering is better in particular frequency ranges…is there such a thing as over filtering with common mode noise?
I have pretty good WiFi in my home (3 access points), so I wasn’t able to detect any signal attenuation (signal strength stayed „excellent“)
Originally my plan was to have the extender PCB mounted bare to the enclosure, but there wasn’t a convenient mounting point on the PCB. Instead I added standoffs to the lower plastic case. After that, I put the cover back on because the plastic tabs on the cover keep the extender PCB in place.
If you have a convenient way to mount the extender PCB direct to the case that would make things cleaner. Given all the experiments/hacks I did before getting my enclosure, this was the easiest (incremental) path for me.
